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	<title>Comments on: The Counter-Catholic View of Santorum on Religious Liberty</title>
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		<title>By: Questions about Political Catholicity and Plurality &#171; Dating God</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] positions that Rick Santorum maintains that stand in opposition to Church teaching (see &#8220;The Counter-Catholic View of Santorum on Religious Liberty,&#8221; for example), despite the candidate&#8217;s touting his orthodoxy in matters of faith and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] positions that Rick Santorum maintains that stand in opposition to Church teaching (see &#8220;The Counter-Catholic View of Santorum on Religious Liberty,&#8221; for example), despite the candidate&#8217;s touting his orthodoxy in matters of faith and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bill puka</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bill puka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few thoughts. I see no real logical fallacies in Santorum&#039;s comments, nor any identified, but I really like the sensible way Dan talks about religion certainly being allowed an influence in the public square for it to be a public square and fit the church-state separation..                                                                          

Santorum&#039;s problem is theocratic, isn&#039;t it? He pledges to &quot;legislate&quot; his religious views as best he can on the American populace as a whole. The attempt to avoid such theocratic tendencies in the US was one of two aims of the Constitution separation since several of the State constitutions had theocratic provisions. 

For example, he wants to cut down on the supply of contraceptives because where they are available &quot;people will do things&quot; as he so articulately puts it. Why shouldn&#039;t the American people do things? Most are not Catholic? They don;t think pre-marital sex is in any way sinful or wrong?. 

On Jfk, we must not forget that he faced a real prejudice against Catholics being president due to the extremely hierarchical nature of church authority--power of excommunication and the like. His speech was strategic, meant to reassure critics that he wasn&#039;t a papist and understood the responsibilities of his job as president. 

Since Catholics are not required to read official teachings by the Church hierarchy, not usually even informed that they exists, it doesn&#039;t seem quite honest to cite official documents as what Catholics hold or what the Catholic position is. There are many Catholic positions as there are many types of clergy and congregants in the Church with different views that they promulgate and live, &quot;official&quot; or not., whether the hierarchy likes it or not.. 

To me, the separation of church and state is unfair to religion, and anti-democratic. Religion should be allowed anywhere--taught as science, displayed on government property--so long as religious are then willing to have all other religious views and views critical of it so displayed as well--no holds barred, nothing sacrosanct, as in science or politics. Religious views and commitments are not like secular interests. They are cosmically elevated, much more important to people than most other interests, and defining to life paths. They are not like wanting a speed bump put on one&#039;s street, more subsidies for healthcare or less red tape for small businesses. And these two points do not contradict each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few thoughts. I see no real logical fallacies in Santorum&#8217;s comments, nor any identified, but I really like the sensible way Dan talks about religion certainly being allowed an influence in the public square for it to be a public square and fit the church-state separation..                                                                          </p>
<p>Santorum&#8217;s problem is theocratic, isn&#8217;t it? He pledges to &#8220;legislate&#8221; his religious views as best he can on the American populace as a whole. The attempt to avoid such theocratic tendencies in the US was one of two aims of the Constitution separation since several of the State constitutions had theocratic provisions. </p>
<p>For example, he wants to cut down on the supply of contraceptives because where they are available &#8220;people will do things&#8221; as he so articulately puts it. Why shouldn&#8217;t the American people do things? Most are not Catholic? They don;t think pre-marital sex is in any way sinful or wrong?. </p>
<p>On Jfk, we must not forget that he faced a real prejudice against Catholics being president due to the extremely hierarchical nature of church authority&#8211;power of excommunication and the like. His speech was strategic, meant to reassure critics that he wasn&#8217;t a papist and understood the responsibilities of his job as president. </p>
<p>Since Catholics are not required to read official teachings by the Church hierarchy, not usually even informed that they exists, it doesn&#8217;t seem quite honest to cite official documents as what Catholics hold or what the Catholic position is. There are many Catholic positions as there are many types of clergy and congregants in the Church with different views that they promulgate and live, &#8220;official&#8221; or not., whether the hierarchy likes it or not.. </p>
<p>To me, the separation of church and state is unfair to religion, and anti-democratic. Religion should be allowed anywhere&#8211;taught as science, displayed on government property&#8211;so long as religious are then willing to have all other religious views and views critical of it so displayed as well&#8211;no holds barred, nothing sacrosanct, as in science or politics. Religious views and commitments are not like secular interests. They are cosmically elevated, much more important to people than most other interests, and defining to life paths. They are not like wanting a speed bump put on one&#8217;s street, more subsidies for healthcare or less red tape for small businesses. And these two points do not contradict each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://datinggod.org/2012/02/27/the-counter-catholic-view-of-santorum-on-religious-liberty/#comment-7568</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jared]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peace to you also, Brother. I love your blog and openness. You rock!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace to you also, Brother. I love your blog and openness. You rock!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew M</title>
		<link>http://datinggod.org/2012/02/27/the-counter-catholic-view-of-santorum-on-religious-liberty/#comment-7566</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, CINO means exactly that.  And as I mentioned before, I have yet to find one politician or leader who is a professed Roman Catholic, in either of the two camps, who would fully pass the temporal scrutiny or inquistion. 

And, furthermore, while I understand the intellectual method of questioning authority in attempts to seek and understand the authentic truth of the Holy Mother Church and therefore of God, it is quite obvious that in certain corners of the religious, especially in the U.S., even the Holy Father himself, would fail such a task.

As I have also mentioned in the past, my well-respected Friar and Deacon, we are all works in progress.  By one&#039;s definition of a &quot;cafeteria catholic&quot;, then anyone who publically or in private counsel (e.g. the confessional) goes against the doctrine of the Church, her teaching, and dogma is guilty of being a &quot;cafeteria catholic&quot; (has distasteful as that may sound.)

What I do find somewhat incredulous is how so many believers, especially learned scholars, would actually prefer to submit and give up their God given rights and authentic freedom of choice, to let the government &quot;solve&quot; their problems, and dictate how they should spend their talents or treasures.  How is it possible that the tenets of free enterprise and capitalism have become synonomous with greed and consumerism, etc?  How is possible that a liberal democracy, governed &quot;by the people and for the people&quot; has become a dictatorship by either of the ruling parties.  How is it possible that with such advances in science and technology of &quot;man&quot;, we still cannot fully recognize the dignity of life from natural conception to natural death (yes, I am including the death penalty in this, although I still have some heartburn over it).

Again, I have taken far too much space.  As always PAX et vivat Iesus!

BTW, I thought of some of our discussions in my Confirmation class Sunday, especially with regards to the Death Penalty.  Who would have been proud, that I did actually maintain a neutral, merciful tenor.  Dare I say, a rather &quot;left of center&quot; presentation.  I remembered your post http://datinggod.org/2012/02/04/virginia-nuns-on-forgiveness-and-drunk-driving-case/.  Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, CINO means exactly that.  And as I mentioned before, I have yet to find one politician or leader who is a professed Roman Catholic, in either of the two camps, who would fully pass the temporal scrutiny or inquistion. </p>
<p>And, furthermore, while I understand the intellectual method of questioning authority in attempts to seek and understand the authentic truth of the Holy Mother Church and therefore of God, it is quite obvious that in certain corners of the religious, especially in the U.S., even the Holy Father himself, would fail such a task.</p>
<p>As I have also mentioned in the past, my well-respected Friar and Deacon, we are all works in progress.  By one&#8217;s definition of a &#8220;cafeteria catholic&#8221;, then anyone who publically or in private counsel (e.g. the confessional) goes against the doctrine of the Church, her teaching, and dogma is guilty of being a &#8220;cafeteria catholic&#8221; (has distasteful as that may sound.)</p>
<p>What I do find somewhat incredulous is how so many believers, especially learned scholars, would actually prefer to submit and give up their God given rights and authentic freedom of choice, to let the government &#8220;solve&#8221; their problems, and dictate how they should spend their talents or treasures.  How is it possible that the tenets of free enterprise and capitalism have become synonomous with greed and consumerism, etc?  How is possible that a liberal democracy, governed &#8220;by the people and for the people&#8221; has become a dictatorship by either of the ruling parties.  How is it possible that with such advances in science and technology of &#8220;man&#8221;, we still cannot fully recognize the dignity of life from natural conception to natural death (yes, I am including the death penalty in this, although I still have some heartburn over it).</p>
<p>Again, I have taken far too much space.  As always PAX et vivat Iesus!</p>
<p>BTW, I thought of some of our discussions in my Confirmation class Sunday, especially with regards to the Death Penalty.  Who would have been proud, that I did actually maintain a neutral, merciful tenor.  Dare I say, a rather &#8220;left of center&#8221; presentation.  I remembered your post <a href="http://datinggod.org/2012/02/04/virginia-nuns-on-forgiveness-and-drunk-driving-case/" rel="nofollow">http://datinggod.org/2012/02/04/virginia-nuns-on-forgiveness-and-drunk-driving-case/</a>.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Br. Dan</title>
		<link>http://datinggod.org/2012/02/27/the-counter-catholic-view-of-santorum-on-religious-liberty/#comment-7564</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Br. Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jared, I know we often disagree about many things and we generally respect each other in our disagreements.  I want to just clarify that there is no effort to &#039;discredit&#039; anyone here, but rather to respond to a political and ecclesiastical story that has been receiving a lot of attention and a story about someone who touts his religious convictions rather openly. I hope this is a polite challenge. Peace!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jared, I know we often disagree about many things and we generally respect each other in our disagreements.  I want to just clarify that there is no effort to &#8216;discredit&#8217; anyone here, but rather to respond to a political and ecclesiastical story that has been receiving a lot of attention and a story about someone who touts his religious convictions rather openly. I hope this is a polite challenge. Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://datinggod.org/2012/02/27/the-counter-catholic-view-of-santorum-on-religious-liberty/#comment-7563</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jared]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fr. Angelus,
I absolutely respect anytime Br. Dan wants to use his blog to discredit a politician with whom he disagrees. There are plenty of priests beating the drum for the other side, too.  President Obama&#039;s story certainly inspires me, even though I wouldn&#039;t vote for him. I am a fan of movies like &quot;Hoosiers,&quot; &quot;Rocky,&quot; and &quot;Rudy&quot;. Check out the &quot;famous failures&quot; link I have posted above and you will get a glimpse of what inspires me. Then, again, I am a person whose entire faith is based on the teachings of a condemned criminal who was rejected by professed religious and executed by the state. Peace and All Good!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fr. Angelus,<br />
I absolutely respect anytime Br. Dan wants to use his blog to discredit a politician with whom he disagrees. There are plenty of priests beating the drum for the other side, too.  President Obama&#8217;s story certainly inspires me, even though I wouldn&#8217;t vote for him. I am a fan of movies like &#8220;Hoosiers,&#8221; &#8220;Rocky,&#8221; and &#8220;Rudy&#8221;. Check out the &#8220;famous failures&#8221; link I have posted above and you will get a glimpse of what inspires me. Then, again, I am a person whose entire faith is based on the teachings of a condemned criminal who was rejected by professed religious and executed by the state. Peace and All Good!</p>
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		<title>By: Br. Dan</title>
		<link>http://datinggod.org/2012/02/27/the-counter-catholic-view-of-santorum-on-religious-liberty/#comment-7561</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Br. Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Matthew, does CINO mean &quot;catholic in name only?&quot; I&#039;m trying to figure out what that means. If by that you mean does not publicly support all of the Church&#039;s teachings, then wouldn&#039;t Rick Santorum also be counted in that crowd given his dissent on the teachings of torture, church/state relations and other subjects? Just a thought.  Peace!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matthew, does CINO mean &#8220;catholic in name only?&#8221; I&#8217;m trying to figure out what that means. If by that you mean does not publicly support all of the Church&#8217;s teachings, then wouldn&#8217;t Rick Santorum also be counted in that crowd given his dissent on the teachings of torture, church/state relations and other subjects? Just a thought.  Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew M</title>
		<link>http://datinggod.org/2012/02/27/the-counter-catholic-view-of-santorum-on-religious-liberty/#comment-7560</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scarier still are those CINO&#039;s like Pelosi, and now Gov. O&#039;Malley.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scarier still are those CINO&#8217;s like Pelosi, and now Gov. O&#8217;Malley.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew M</title>
		<link>http://datinggod.org/2012/02/27/the-counter-catholic-view-of-santorum-on-religious-liberty/#comment-7559</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then if he and the other &quot;prominent&quot; Catholic GOP should be discredited, then what pray tell should be done with the incumbent junior senator senator sitting in the Oval Office.  Nevermind, no one has to discredit him, he is doing well enough on his own accord.  

And, respectfully Father, I am quite certain that there are many (I being one of them) who weep for &quot;ours [and future] generation[s]!&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then if he and the other &#8220;prominent&#8221; Catholic GOP should be discredited, then what pray tell should be done with the incumbent junior senator senator sitting in the Oval Office.  Nevermind, no one has to discredit him, he is doing well enough on his own accord.  </p>
<p>And, respectfully Father, I am quite certain that there are many (I being one of them) who weep for &#8220;ours [and future] generation[s]!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: angelus gambatese</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[angelus gambatese]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps Dan is suggesting that he should be discredited.  That he is inspirational to anyone&#039;s politics, as Charley Brown says, 
&quot;I weep for our generation.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Dan is suggesting that he should be discredited.  That he is inspirational to anyone&#8217;s politics, as Charley Brown says,<br />
&#8220;I weep for our generation.&#8221;</p>
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